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A Kossack's Guide to Book Publishing - part 9 [updated]

Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 10:19:56 AM PDT

Marketing and Publicity
After many requests, I thought I'd skip ahead a bit and talk about what happens when your book actually appears - what the publisher is likely to do to help sell it (not much if you're a new writer) and what you can do about it (quite a bit). Most authors don't have the time, doggedness, or sheer personal charm to pull off what John Grisham did with his book: he bought 1,000 copies from his publisher and sold them to... well, everyone, really. There are publicity strategies for varying levels of time, affability, and money that you're willing to invest.
It's not that the publisher doesn't care about your book. They do. Your publisher genuinely wants to see your book do well (or else they wouldn't have bought it). However, like Dick Cheney in the Vietnam War, they have bigger priorities. As you may remember from the publishing lists episode, the books at the top of the list - for which the publisher has already spent a great deal of money which they need to recoup or heads will roll - are going to suck up the vast majority of sales and marketing attention. Your book, which they didn't spend so much on, only has to sell comparatively few copies to break even.

The publisher's priorities and yours are very different here. They may be sort-of satisfied with small sales numbers, but you can't be. Otherwise, in a couple of books, they'll drop you and replace your books with an author who they feel has a higher upside.

So what kinds of marketing does your publisher do, what kinds do you handle on your own, and what kinds can you (hopefully) work together on?


Blurbs and Bound Galleys
Fairly early in the process, you'll likely be asked if you know anyone who can write a blurb (a brief quote about how wonderful your book is) to put on the book's cover on in the frontmatter. After the first book, in theory the publisher can also cull blurbs from the glowing reviews of your book. This is a time to be creative and call in any favors owed to you by major celebrities. Did you do Tom Clancy's taxes? Were you instrumental in keeping Ann Coulter's latest "Adam's apple" incident in Hell's Kitchen out of the New York Post? Now's the time to call in that favor. Your editor may also ask similar writers that she edits to blurb you. (You may be asked to do the same thing once your books are selling well... but stick to stuff you like, and be honest.) Blurbs don't have to come from other writers, necessarily. Ian Fleming's James Bond novels became a hit after Bobby Kennedy mentioned that he enjoyed them in a prominent interview.

When the book is typeset, your publisher may have bound galleys or advance reading copies printed. These are promotional early versions of the book (which hasn't been proofread yet) that are sent to magazine and newspaper reviewers (who need the book several months before the release date in order to write reviews that come out at the same time the book does), and sometimes to bookstore owners or buyers. If there are local reviewers who should be sent a bound gally, make sure your publisher knows who they are - as well as what your connection to them is. And you'll need to follow through to make sure that those local copies don't fall through the cracks at your publisher.


The Sales Force
Up to a year before your book comes out, your editor and the publisher's sales force are already working on selling it. (Major publishers have their own sales forces, while smaller independent publishers often pool sales forces, or hire independent rep groups.) Your book has appeared in the publisher's catalog for the season in which it's being published, and hopefully your editor and the sales force have come to some understanding on how best to market it. The publisher's sales force will solicit orders from chain stores (and if Borders and Barnes & Noble turn it down, the book's pretty much finished), independent stores, and major non-bookstore accounts such as Wal-Mart, Costco, and Hudson News (the airport and train station newsstands).

In theory, the publisher will look for special sales as well - bulk sales to nontraditional accounts - but in practice, the sales force is not good at thinking outside the box. Their job is to sell boxes; don't assume that a special sale that seems obvious to you will occur to your publisher. If your book is a thinly veiled but warm sendup of a major dental convention which could be happy to buy 8,000 copies with a special cover to put in gift bags for attendees, don't assume that anyone who isn't a dentist will know that. Make sure your editor knows about it. If you're really passionate about the idea, you may need to badger your editor a bit before she gets the special sales folks involved. Once they see the possibilities, most special sales departments are very good at closing deals.

Think about any special opportunities for cross-promotion that your publisher should be aware of - a huge local fair that ties into the book's storyline, the chamber of commerce in the town where your book is set, etc. None of this costs you any money or much time, and it can be a big factor in upping your book's sales.


Bookstore Games
Get in the habit of stopping into bookstores. Unfortunately, this is where you need to lose your inner Emily Dickinson: Writing may be a solitary profession, but marketing is not. You need to be willing to go to the information desk, ask to see the manager on duty, introduce yourself as a local author, and offer to sign stock. (This isn't the same as a signing. What you're doing is signing the books they have on hand, which the store will then put AUTOGRAPHED stickers on and place up front in the "Local Authors" section.)

Don't be embarrassed if the store doesn't have any of your books on hand. Let the store be embarrassed, act as if it's just an oversight, and offer to come back to sign them when they're in stock. The idea is to get your books on a prominent position on the shelves, not to be a prima donna. Always be friendly to the bookstore staff, no matter how harried they may be: a lot of books are hand-sold by store employees ("Do you know a good book about bunnies?") and you want them to remember you as the cool author who dropped by, not the person who ranted at the manager for half an hour. (Yeah, I put in my time working at bookstores, as many writers have.)

Another thing many writers end up doing in bookstores is quietly facing out books written by themselves and their friends. Books can be displayed on a shelf in two ways, face out or spine out. You can find a spined-out book if you're specifically looking for it (since you can still read the title and author), but only faced-out books catch the eye, because the cover art is visible.

Some gambits may be a little too subtle. I have a friend who used to write horror under the name "Jeremy Kingston," because it meant he would be placed on the shelf right between Stephen King and Dean Koontz.


Readings and Signings
Naturally, when you talked to the manager, you also found out who scheduled readings and signings for that store. (Some books lend themselves more to one format than the other, but the same people schdule both.) For independent stores, it's likely the owner, Barnes & Noble stores usually have someone in each store, which Borders has community service reps who represent all the stores in the district. (That means you can schedule several Borders at once, but also that the reps are almost impossible to reach since they're hideously overworked.)

The brutal truth about readings and signings: Unless you're a big name, half the time no one shows up, and you can spend two hours learning just how lonely the life of a writer can be. (Sometimes for big names, too. I remember feeling kind of down that I'd only sold 6 or 7 books at one store until they told me Dennis Lehane had been there the previous week and only sold 1 book.) Again: Lose the Emily Dickinson persona. You need to do signings anyway, and even signings that seem to bomb at the time can end up selling a lot of books for you when all is said and done.

There are some things that help your odds quite a bit. For signings, make sure the bookstore seats you near the entrance, where you can make eye contact with people entering the store. People like to buy signed books, but they will instinctively avoid coming over to your table unless you get their attention, so don't be afraid to say hello and banter a bit. (If there's already a line there, people will be curious and come over, but they treat an author alone at a table like a Jehovah's Witness who knocks at your door right before kickoff. You may want to bring a friend along as a shill.) The store should make announcements every half hour or so to let customers know you're there. You may need to write the announcement for the employee making it, who may or may not have heard of you; the person who booked the event likely won't be at the store when the signing or reading takes place (since most events are at night or on weekends).

The amount of publicity events get varies widely. I've done signings where there's no publicity beyond the posters in the store window, and I've done signings where the store ran radio ads ahead and coordinated an article profiling me in the local newspaper on the day of the signing.

The main benefit of signings isn't the books you sell that night (which likely won't cover the cost of the trip) but the word of mouth you build up. People talk about the authors they've met and recommend them the friends; bookstore clerks hand-sell a ton of books written by authors they've met, and bookstores continue to promote those authors with favorable placement. Also, while people instinctively avoid book signings, they like to buy autographed books. The day after one mediocre signing, I got a call from the bookstore saying that they'd sold 19 more signed copies of the book that I'd left behind the next day: more than at the signing itself.


Advertising
Authors love to see ads for their books, and try to push publishers into funding them, but let me be blunt here: When was the last time you bought a book because of an ad? Books ads are most effective for big-name writers, by reminding people there's a new book out there by someone they already intend to buy. For new writers, word of mouth or radio interviews (where you still feel some sense of contact) are much more effective. Many book ads are geared to bookstore buyers, rather than the general public, or are designed to build the profile of a publisher as much as an author. And print ads are expensive.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't take advantage of free ads, web trades, or local ads in venues that your really think will push your book. If there's a strong ad opportunity, your publisher will almost certainly design an ad for your book if you ask them, even if they won't pay for the ad itself.


Publicity Firms
Significant publicity efforts are often farmed out by publishers to publicity firms that specialize in books, and in some cases you can hire a publicity firm yourself. (Think long and hard if it's worth it; publicists are not cheap, ranging from about $2,000 to upwards of $10,000 depending on the firm and the intensity of the campaign. That's fine if the effort will sell a lot more books for you, but not so good if it's only going to make a marginal difference.) Publicity firms are important if you hope to do radio and TV spots; while publishers are pretty good at getting books in the hands of reviewers, publicity firms have the contacts and knowledge of the industry to book you onto shows that will drive sales of your book. (A great interview on a show that doesn't appeal to your potential readers doesn't do you much good.)

For my most recent Red Sox book, I was able to get a publicity budget, tied to a specific firm (Newman Communications, a Boston-based publicity firm I'd used before) written into the contract, but most publishers will be reluctant to make that kind of commitment. It never hurts to ask, though. And Newman got me on just about every sports talk radio show in New England.


Radio and TV Appearances
While big stations will want a publicist vouching for you, you can probably set up appearances with small, local stations yourself. Radio is a game of sorts, in that the shows have to fill spots with guests, and guests desperately want to be on the shows, with the publicists acting as gatekeepers. Most shows are not like The Colbert Report; the hosts are trying to make you look good, and unless you're inarticulate, they're going to try to do right by you. (Too many bad experiences, and the publicits won't send folks back to them.) On the other hand, on-air personas vary widely and shows are often booked just a few days (sometimes just a few hours) ahead, so you have to be willing to go with the flow and play along with the host's schtick and sense of humor.

While you have to be in the studio for TV appearances, most radio appearances are done over the phone. TV spots for a big station are typically 2-4 minutes, or 10-15 minutes for big radio stations. On smaller stations you may get up to an hour.

Because appearances are scheduled very quickly, the host won't have had much time with your book. You may get a host who's really knowledgeable about the field, or you may not. Be prepared to work with any question and turn it into something you can answer entertainingly; it's likely that whatever chapter of the book the host opened to randomly is going to be what you get asked about. On short appearances, you may only get a few questions, tailored around what the host's show is already doing. On longer apearances you may be asked to answer viewers' calls as well, so be prepared for anything. Stay relaxed though - the host is trying to make you look good.


Newspapers
While book reviews are largely out of your hands, freelance writers for local papers are always looking for people to write features on, and you probably know (or your friends know) some of those writers. In other cases, bookstores will put writers in touch with you. Like the radio hosts, the writer will be trying to make you look good. Expect to be heavily misquoted, even by writers with the best intentions. Unfortunately, it comes with the territory, and when it's a feature story rather than "hard news" there's no real fact-checking to speak of.

Local weekly newspapers are always looking for content, so if you have a book that's easily excerptible, it's not hard to get a column of your own. This gets to be a time sink in a hurry, so I wouldn't recommend it longterm.


Online Stuff
Presumably as an author you have a personal site that features your work. You may also be active on other forums specific to your genre, like the bulletin boards on SFF.net. You don't have to spend a lot of money, but nothing says "amateur" like an overdesigned author's site. (You can get away with a very simple site, but not an annoying or garish one.) Take a look at other sites by writers in your field. (I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the lovely and talented fellow Kossack at rowena.org who designed my site.)

Don't go overboard having your friends write Amazon reviews of your work, but a few is ok. And for heaven's sake don't review your own work. (I know Walt Whitman did it, but it's still tacky, and looks really vain.)

Time to stop writing, I think... this is already way longer than I intended, and about half a day later.




The Rest of the "How Publishing Works" Series
I do still monitor and respond in the previous episodes, so feel free to post questions or comments in them if you'd like. I'm shooting for one new entry a week while classes are in session, likely late Thursday nights or Friday morning.

Part 1 - Why bad things happen to good books.
Part 2 - Avoiding publishing scams.
Part 3 - Literary conventions (with an emphasis on SF Conventions).
Part 4 - Book packagers.
Part 5 - Submitting a manuscript.
Part 6 - Publishing lists.
Part 7 - Literary agents.
Part 8 - Copyediting.
Part 9 - Marketing and publicity.
Part 10 - Outlining.
Part 11 - Editing.
Part 12 - Ideas.

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  •  Very enlightening, thanks. That reminded me (2+ / 0-)

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    (sorry, slightly off topic) that I sent in I think about $17? to buy the electronic version of YKOS, but never heard anything back.  Anyone know what happened with that project?  

    We Changed The Course! Now we must hold their feet to the fire.

    by hcc in VA on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 10:22:18 AM PDT

  •  Huge Fan of Your Diary (3+ / 0-)

    ...comment goes here.

    :)

    :::

  •  Other Publishing Tips... (8+ / 0-)

    Swordsmith, I just stumbled onto this diary, and I'm pleased to see it.  I've been in publishing (although of a very different sort--mostly reference and scholarly material) for nearly 20 years (gee, it's been that long already--and I'm only 40).

    Enough said on that score, I wanted to give just one little bit of advice for writers. There are innumerable books on how to break into the writing biz.  The Bible is Literary Market Place (known as the LMP).  See the website.

    But for people who'd like learn more about their rights, the most highly recommended work is Kirsch's Handbook of Publishing Law. See his website here.  Alas, his work may be a little out of date, but it is a formidable work nonetheless, and after reading it, you'll never feel like you ever got ripped off.

  •  absolutely perfect timing (11+ / 0-)

    I have a book proposal due in 12 days, and I have NO idea where to start or what to write about. The whole process is very intimidating, but your diary series is a godsent. thank you thank you thank you!

  •  oh one more question (3+ / 0-)

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    about having a website with my work... now that I am going to actually HAVE a few published articles (yay!) - one will have an online link and one will not. What is the protocol for putting those on a personal website? Link to them? Post the text? Mention their titles and the names of the papers? Scan an image? Any ideas? Thanks!

  •  I think that this whole series.. (4+ / 0-)

    Should be front paged over the course of a few weeks.

    I am all-for removing the "guildism" from trades like publishing, for which Swordsmith does makes a great effort.

    Plus, here at DailyKos, I see a pleathora of diarists who have great creative writing potential ("Sans-Editor, on top of that!" comment goes here.)

    I hope that this gets a ton of exposure. Further, if there is anything I can do to help that along, it would be my pleasure.

    It's just that good.

    :::

  •  Another excellent installment (4+ / 0-)

    thanks again from a budding author

  •  understand your publisher (4+ / 0-)

    Over the last 2 1/2 decades I've worked with many publishers and outlasted several. one thing I've learned is that in order to have a good working relationship with your publisher you need to understand how they work and what their priorities are. During the last decade most of my books have been published by Cardoza publishing, a New York-based firm that specializes in gaming books but which also has a large list of chess titles, including a couple of dozen of mine.

    From the outset this publisher made it clear that they felt their obligation was to get the books into the bookstores and as long as the titles appear at Barnes & Noble and Borders they've done their job. I wasn't too expect a lot of promotion outside of those chains, though they did use their influence to get me a feature in the Borders in store magazine and a sponsored some chess events to gain further publicity for the line.

    Although promotions such as advertising in chess magazines is very helpful for books on chess, it would have been unreasonable for me to count on this particular publisher paying large amounts of money for such ads. That wasn't within their working operation.

    Until the poker and sudoku fads came along to steel shelf space from chess books, the system worked very well. However, the shrinking shelf space meant that my new books compete as much with my old books as with my competitors and that has led to some shrinking sales. We tried a number of methods to boost sales but in the end I've had to push hard for Cardoza to do a new catalog and get it out to all those who sell a lot of chess books. It's been years since such a catalog appeared and getting the new one required a small change in priorities which is never easy to accomplish in a business environment.

    Nevertheless, it seems as though the catalog has gotten a higher priority now and that the publisher is adapting to the current realities of the market as far as brick and mortar shops are concerned.

    Several of my other publishers have no access to the big chains and rely more on Web sales and specialist chess dealers. In those cases I have to push for them to send out a larger number of review copies so that the book will be noticed.

    For all of my books, I make a substantial sample of the book available online at my websiteand allow these samples to be freely distributed. I have found this to be a very effective way of boosting sales.

    When possible, I try to write articles for websites and magazines based on the content of my books were I'm allowed to at least mention the existence of the book. This also has led to further sales.

    If you're an author, I suggest that you employ all of these strategies, choosing the appropriate strategy for each publisher. Remember, you're not likely to get the publisher to change its ways unless you are very lucky or very persuasive. You need to adapt your request to their operating procedure and always keep in mind they are priorities.

    As far as the signings are concerned, I consider them something of a necessary evil though I don't find it unpleasant. The fact is, if you have a standard publishing contract and sell a few dozen copies at a signing, your take is not likely to be more than 50 or $60. Do signings and public appearances to build an overall audience and to stimulate interest in your work but never count on a lot of sales. Because I write about chess, I often combine a signing with some sort of exhibition where I will play 30 or 40 people at once. They get to play for free, and I hope that after the experience they'll want to go and look at some of my books. My goal is to get them to buy several of my titles over a period of time, not just one copy on the day.

    When looking for media coverage, don't confine yourself to the obvious and ordinary subjects. I was featured for a full hour a year ago on the subject of gambling and chess on a sports and casino betting program. I'm sure that none of the audience had ever heard of me as an author of chess books but I managed to be sufficiently interesting and entertaining that I got some very good feedback from people who did say they had gone out and at least seen my books and in some case purchase them.

    Well, that's my experience, anyway. I hope you find it useful.

    Don't you think John McCain looks tired?

    by MakeChessNotWar on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 10:29:57 PM PDT

    •  very good advice (2+ / 0-)

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      especially the part about being adaptible since your publisher probably won't be.

      Thanks for the examples.

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      by Swordsmith on Sat Sep 02, 2006 at 08:42:37 AM PDT

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    •  A note on the economics (1+ / 0-)

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      The fact is, if you have a standard publishing contract and sell a few dozen copies at a signing, your take is not likely to be more than 50 or $60.
      would only be true for a hard cover or trade paperback. If you're publishing in mass market the numbers is going to be closer to 35-60 cents a book and a few dozen copies will bring in 10-12 bucks.

      Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

      by KMc on Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 06:40:51 AM PDT

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      •  it's kind of depressing (1+ / 0-)

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        if you think about it in purely economic terms. Signings are all about word of mouth and people being able to tell their friends about the interesting author they met, and walking past big signs with your name on them (which will later register as "I've heard of him... he must be good").

        Economic -5.00 Social -5.49 http://politicalcompass.org/

        by Swordsmith on Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 07:29:49 AM PDT

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        •  Oh yeah, (0+ / 0-)

          Didn't mean to say anything against signings. I just know that a lot of people have no idea how much money an author makes per book, and that they also have no idea that the percentage changes based on things like hardcover, and trade vs. mass market paperback.

          Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

          by KMc on Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 11:50:16 AM PDT

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          •  I will get into that, I promise... (1+ / 0-)

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            When I finally get to contracts I plan to talk about royalty rates. (I have a feeling contracts will be a multiple part episode, and I'm not sure I want to post it publicly until the several deals I have in the works are done and signed.)

            Not to be superstitious or anything....

            Thanks for making the point, though.

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            by Swordsmith on Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 07:01:36 PM PDT

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  •  Once again.... (3+ / 0-)

    Outstanding diary swordsmith.

    I'm hooked, and I'm only a marginal a BoSox fan go figger.

    "The world will not evolve past its current state of crisis by using the same thinking that created the situation." - Albert Einstein

    by The American Prophet on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 11:02:32 PM PDT

  •  Wonderful diary (2+ / 0-)

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    Great, great helpful diary.

    One tiny correction: It was John Kennedy, not Bobby Kennedy, who helped publicize Ian Fleming's books.

    •  thanks for the correction (1+ / 0-)

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      I was born in '66, so I heard (or apparently misheard) the story secondhand.

      I love the Fleming books, though. Not just the Bond books but also Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, his children's book.

      Economic -5.00 Social -5.49 http://politicalcompass.org/

      by Swordsmith on Sat Sep 02, 2006 at 08:44:43 AM PDT

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  •  I love this series... (2+ / 0-)

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    Thank you.  But, I have a dumb question, I want to save your diaries to my listing for future reference.  Isn't their a way to do this on DKos?  Especially #5, 6, 7.  Do you know how?

    •  if you click on (1+ / 0-)

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      the plus sign next to the title it should save them to your hotlist.

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      by Swordsmith on Sat Sep 02, 2006 at 08:46:04 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks so much. (2+ / 0-)

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        I am planning to write a book.  I want to save your series for future knowledge and reference.

        •  the next episode (1+ / 0-)

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          may be on outlining and organizing. I want to do a few on the process of actually turning ideas into books.

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          by Swordsmith on Sat Sep 02, 2006 at 09:02:48 AM PDT

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          •  On my end... (1+ / 0-)

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            I'd like to see more on how to 1. find a good editor to work with even BEFORE you try to submit your proposal and 2. more on how to structure your approach to agents.

            My situation is this: I've written a 150K word travel book about Finland that is part natural history and part socio-cultural analysis.  I know it needs about 20k words cut.  But what words?  i'm too married to it at this point to be as objective as need be.  Further, I've now over a dozen rejection letters under my belt.  I cant even get an agent or editor to look at it.  My cover letter must not be attractive enough.

            Question: in your entry on submitting a manuscript, you say the proposal should be 2-3 pages long.  In all the books I've been reading ("How To Write A Book Proposal", "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Getting Published", etc.) they call for a 15-20 page proposal - not including the outtakes from the book.  I've prepared an extensive proposal with alot of research therin...am I wasting my time?  

            Thanks again for this series.  Great stuff!

            •  I've never seen a proposal that long... (2+ / 0-)

              for a book that actually sold; 2-3 pages is much more typical (with samples and supporting material attached). There may be specialized fields where that's not the case, but I've worked a fair amount in both fiction and nonfiction.

              If you're looking for a book doctor (a "before the fact" editor), you may want to contact fellow Kossack editrix, who's a very good one.

              Not to ask a blunt question, but what's the market for 150,000 word travel books on Finland with a heavy dose of sociocultural analysis? Is there a big demand for such a book? (If so, you need to establish that in your proposal.) If the publishers you're submitting to aren't convinced that a) there's a demand for the book and b) their sales force will know how to sell it, then they're not going to read through 20 pages of proposal, regardless of how well-written the book is.

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              by Swordsmith on Sat Sep 02, 2006 at 10:24:24 AM PDT

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            •  15-20? (1+ / 0-)

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              Really? I'd call that very bad advice. My agent likes to have mutiple lengths, from the single page pitch sheet up to a five page synopsis plus a cover with credits for a max of six pages (excluding chapters and pull quotes). But the longer version wouldn't get sent out to anyone who hadn't already expressed an interest in more material.

              Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

              by KMc on Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 06:51:42 AM PDT

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          •  This would be great for me... (1+ / 0-)

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            I know I sound very selfish.  But, I have wanted (and be told) to write a book my whole life.  I am 50 now.  I will do it, but it is sitting down to focus and get started.  That would help.

  •  Another nice addition (1+ / 0-)

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    Sorry I wasn't around to comment while it was active.

    A question on the Grisham anecdote. Was that haradcover? Because in mass market even a thousand copies isn't going to make a huge dent in total sales, and I'm thinking the self-promotion dynamic is going to be very different between the two.

    Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

    by KMc on Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 06:45:00 AM PDT

    •  my impression (1+ / 0-)

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      when I heard this story from him was that it was in paperback, but I'm not 100% sure. The point was, he was so personable that it translated into many more sales from people pushing their friends to by the book, and even a moderate bulge in a book where it's totally unexpected can lead to significantly better treatment by the publisher the next time around (along with hoigher expectations, though).

      He told it as a self-effacing story at a conference, and he's such a good storyteller that you really couldn't help wanting to buy a book from him, or telling the story to your friends.

      So in a way, that early publicity investment is still paying off. I'm not a big fan of Grisham's writing, but I've passed on that story a number of times (in this case, to a pretty big audience) and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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      by Swordsmith on Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 07:35:45 AM PDT

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  •  The money question (2+ / 0-)

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    Let's be crude: Writing is all well and good, but some of us want money.  

    So, any ideas on how to estimate the amount of money we authors get per book?

    I imagine it varies a lot by type of book and the author's 'name' and so on.  And one of the comments says it varies paperback to hardback.

    So, how to make even a guess at profit to the author per book sold?

    And even a rough guess at number that a book might sell?

    In my case, I am writing a book about nonverbal learning disabilities.  About 5% of the USA population has this syndrome; my book is for older kids and adults with NLD, and for parents or teachers of the same.

    Any way to make even a vague estimate?

    thanks

    •  more than I can answer in a short comment... (2+ / 0-)

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      But I can throw some ballpark numbers around. Examples vary hugely. (Is this a bad time to point out that writing paid substantially better during the Depression than it does today?)

      Some huge generalizations:

      A first time writer at a big publisher without much leverage is likely to get offered something on the order of $5,000. The publisher will probably want a two-book contract (so if the book is very successful they have a below-market-rate book locked up, but they can reject the second book if they don't like the sales numbers on the first one).

      Advances after that vary dramatically depending on sales and genre. The upside for a romance is a lot higher than for an SF novel, for instance.

      A successful midlist writer basically makes a good second income - producing a couple of books a year and taking in $15,000-20,000 in wildly irregular writing income (meaning it could be $5,000 one year and $40,000 the next and nothing the year after that).

      If everything breaks right and you find a successful niche, it's possible to make a good living as a writer - and obviously the Stephen Kings and J. K. Rowlings of the world are hugely wealthy - but for most productive, working writers it's a second or partial income, rather than something to support a family on.

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      by Swordsmith on Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 07:11:48 PM PDT

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  •  BTW, Expand worked this time (1+ / 0-)

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    not sure why it didn't in the previous two installments, but thought you'd want to know.

    Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

    by KMc on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 07:12:14 AM PDT

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