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A Kossack's Guide to Book Publishing - part 7 [updated]

Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 09:22:32 AM PDT

Literary Agents
As promised, the long-awaited episode on literary agents: what they do (and don't do), why you need one, and what makes an agent a good fit for you (besides the obvious, "because she sells your books). As a bonus, a couple of literary agents that I know will be dropping by and responding to comments (though one of them won't be by until after 8:00, so keep checking back). And while one of yesterday's "best quotes of the day" made it clear why we'd like some republicans to have agents, this is the Kossack's Guide to the Care and Feeding of Literary Agents.
What Do Agents Do, Exactly?
The thing that your agent gets paid for is selling your book to a North American publisher, in return for which she gets about 15% of the money you're paid for writing the book. But there's a lot that goes on before, during, and after the book sale that the agent isn't directly paid for (much like all the things a good real estate agent has to do to set up a sale, speaking as someone who once wrote a book on selling real estate).

  • Your agent acts as a sort of pre-editor, working with you to make your book more commercial, and anticipating problems editors may have with it ahead of time, before the book gets submitted and rejected because of those problems. She knows the quirks of the various editors in whatever genre you're writing in, and also what kinds of books they're looking for right now, and if your book can be positioned as one of them.
  • Your agent acts as a liaison between writer and editor when necessary. Mostly you deal directly with your editor, but there are times when you need to vent, or complain about slow payment, or raise a problem, and your agent can do those things without hurting your working relationship with your editor. Likewise, when your editor has a problem with something that you're doing, he can go to your agent, who will in theory know how to deal with it tactfully.
  • Your agent tracks royalties, issues you statements and 1099s for tax purposes, and takes care of hounding your publisher when they neglect to pay you on time (which happens a lot). Since agents don't get paid until the publisher pays, they tend to be really good at this aspect of the job.
  • Your agent may broker your book to international markets, assuming your publisher hasn't kept foreign rights. (I'll talk more about that in the contracts episode.) There's usually an additional fee involved for the foreign agents and other costs (typically 20%), but a foreign sale can still be a nice bonus, especially on a book that has run its course in this country, financially at least. Besides, it's cool to see a Serbo-Croatian version of your work.
  • Perhaps most important, your agent helps keep you sane and productive, knowing when to prod and when to back off. Because writing books can take years to pay off and most writers have other full-time jobs, it's extremely helpful to have an agent who gives you deadlines and keeps you focused on the writing side of your career goals.



  • What Don't Agents Do?
    Your agent is not your mom, or your babysitter, and she's not going to lie to a publisher on your behalf. (remember that she's probably got other writers at that publisher, too, and won't jeopordize her relationship with an editor without a really good reason.) While your agent is an advocate for your work, it's also part of her job to tactfully tell you when you need to grow up and finish writing the new book already. Remember that if you're too high maintenance, your agent can drop you as a client.

    Literary agents generally won't represent you for short story sales, since they don't generate enough commission to be worth the trouble.

    They also generally won't handle all aspects of film sales - there are separate agents who handle this, although your film agent and literary agent will work together (and might be part of the same agency if you're at one of the bigger agencies like William Morris).


    Why Do You Need an Agent?
    Once upon a time, you didn't, although it was still a good idea. I mentioned in an earlier episode that Isaac Asimov never had an agent, which certainly didn't hurt his productivity (more than 500 books), but did hurt him in other ways (some questionable book deals, accidentally selling the same rights to two different publishers). The theoretical advantage of agents is that they take on the business side of the writing profession, leaving you free to pursue the creative side. But the more practical reason is that these days, fewer and fewer publishers will even look at unagented books. And even for publishers that do accept unsolicited material, your agent's personal connections to the editors allow your work to be sent directly to the editor, rather than going into the slush pile.


    What to Look for in an Agent
    As an aspiring writer, it can be very hard to turn down a potential agent, but working for an agent who's a bad fit for you will do nothing for your career. Assuming you've done your homework to make sure a prospective agent is legitimate (and read the "avoiding publishing scams" chapter in this series and some of the links there), here are some things to keep in mind:

    How high-maintenance are you as a writer? How much contact do you need with your agent? Some writers just like to be left alone to churn out a book every six months, while others want to chat with their agents frequently. Either one of those things is fine, but if you and your agent aren't on the same wavelength, you'll drive each other nuts, and the partnership will not end well. If you're a high-maintenance writer (and um... I am) you need to have an agent who's comfortable with that.

  • Are you more comfortable with a small agency or a large one? The publishing field has a mix of both, and since they're more-or-less equally effective, you need to weigh what your needs are and which kind of agency can fill those needs better. Larger agencies have more resources, but at smaller shops one person can answer all of your questions. (Larger is not always more impersonal in publishing, although some agencies are friendly and some standoffish, some great about returning calls and some terrible, etc. And no, I'm not naming names... I have to work with all of these people. The traditional way to get this information is to ply editors or writers with alcohol at conventions.)
  • How well do you fit on your agent's client list? Ideally, you want to be a close genre match, but not indistinguishable from your agent's other clients. It's no fun to be the third-string vampire writer, or the one who only gets hired if your agent's better-established clients are booked up. On the other hand, you don't want to be the only romance writer in a stable full of fantasy writers: Your agent will be spending 90% of her time talking with fantasy editors, and your name will never come up in those conversations.
  • What are your agent's strengths and weaknesses, and do they fit your needs? I know one agent who, on the face of it, has none of the qualities most writers would look for. He has scary teeth, a gratingly nasal voice, and when talking with women (and about 80% of the editors are female) his eyes never leave their chests. On the other hand, he's great with contracts - he spots potential problems long before they occur so they can be defused without any hard feelings, and he's extremely vigilant on money issues. I wouldn't particularly want him as my agent, but I've worked with him on several books that I've edited, and he's been very easy to work with - though mostly through email. He represents a lot of estates, and he's ideal for the work: dead people don't much care about his people skills, and attention to contractual detail is more important than ferreting out new markets for people who, after all, aren't exactly writing new books.
  • In some ways, agents are a lot like baseball managers. (Hey, it's only my second baseball metaphor of the series, which isn't bad for someone who wrote three books on the Red Sox.) Every agent has specific strengths and weaknesses, that ideally will allow you to succeed. By the same token, you may not stick with one agent for your whole career: In the same way that the manager who's great with a young, up-and-coming team may not be able to get the same performance out of a veteran team filled with high-priced players, your needs as a writer may evolve. Keep that in mind while negotiating the terms of any agency agreement you sign. Watch out for irrevocable agreements, or ones that don't give you a way out if the match is a terrible fit. (That kind of agreements is rare among legitimate agencies, although the old Scott Meredith Literary Agency, before Scott Meredith died and most of the agents left to form other agencies, was notorious for them. I'm not sure about the current incarnation of SMLA. Many agents still work on handshake deals, at least if you're an established writer, or a one-page letter of agreement outlining your relationship.)


    Finding an Agent
    The single best way to get an agent is to be recommended by another client of that agent, or by an editor or other publishing pro who that agent knows and respects. Going to conventions, getting to know writers and agents, and getting a reputation for behaving like a professional will go a long way toward accomplishing this, as well as giving you a sense of what individual agents' strengths and weaknesses are.

    Don't just talk to writers - listen as well. Who's really happy with their agents? If people are complaining about their agents, why are they doing so? (When I switched agents a few years ago, it was to the agent that a couple of close friends of mine had just left. She's a great agent for what I need, but was no longer clicking with where they were emotionally as writers.) Which agents are actively looking for writers, and which have full stables?

    If that's not an option, think about the contemporary writers whose work most resonates with yours. Look on the acknowledgments pages of their books to find out who their agents are. Go to those agents' websites and look at their client lists and submissions guidelines (which will be similar to the process outlined in the "submitting a manuscript" chapter. Even if that particular agent is full, one of the newer associates at her agency may have an opening, if you fit well with what they've good at selling.


    The Rest of the "How Publishing Works" Series

    The series so far:

    Part 1 - Why bad things happen to good books.
    Part 2 - Avoiding publishing scams.
    Part 3 - Literary conventions (with an emphasis on SF Conventions).
    Part 4 - Book packagers.
    Part 5 - Submitting a manuscript.
    Part 6 - Publishing lists.
    Part 7 - Literary agents.
    Part 8 - Copyediting.
    Part 9 - Marketing and publicity.
    Part 10 - Outlining.
    Part 11 - Editing.





    Note: I'll be off hiking for a week or so following the Lamont-Lieberman primary tomorrow, so the next episode will probably not be until late next week. I'm thinking of writing about copyediting and proofreading next, possibly followed by marketing, but as always let me know what you want to read next.

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    •  Thanks! A grea series. n/t (6+ / 0-)

    •  tip jar (18+ / 0-)

      And thanks again to editrix, tnh, Kelly McCullough and the other publishing pros who have added their comments to mine and strengthened this series.

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      by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 09:16:42 AM PDT

      •  thanks for this series (4+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        TealVeal, KMc, Swordsmith, Unitary Moonbat

        This is the first I've seen of it and I'm glad I found it since I am working on a book proposal and have been thinking about all this very seriously.

        thatnks especially for the info about lulu.com.  I was hoping that someone would steer me to something exactly like that.  I'm hoping to self-publish the first book, for a limited audience where I am already known, in the hope that someone will say--hmm, this is good, let's sign this writer to a contract so we can all make money on the next book.

        love your screenname, BTW--you are a wordsmith, and the pen is mighter than the sword!

        Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
        69 days until the '08 elections. Let's paint the country BLUE!

        by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 10:08:49 AM PDT

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        •  thanks (6+ / 0-)

          I like the wordsmith connection, and also it implies that I work in fantasy while having connotations of creating, rather than destroying things.

          I was lucky to get the website, many years ago. Someone had registered it before me, but let the domain lapse, in the days before all the good domain names and the woolly mammoths were gone

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          by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 10:20:00 AM PDT

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        •  Small press (8+ / 0-)

          If you're willing to take a loss on the first book by going the self publish route, that implies making the big bucks right out of the gate isn't central to your plan. If that's the case, you might  want to consider trying small presses. There are a ton of them and they specialize in pretty much every area imaginable. In SF we've got Small Beer, Tachyon, Golden Gryphon, and a ton of others doing really good work.

          The advantages of a small press are myriad. Among them: They'll have the channels for selling a book all set up so that you don't have to bang your head on the Amazon gate. They generally have an editorial staff who are interested in working with new writers to make the book better. And perhaps most importantly, the big publishers keep a very close eye on what's going in small press so it's much much easier to make that leap than the one from self-published.

          Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

          by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 10:36:42 AM PDT

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          •  the one does not preclude the other (4+ / 0-)

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            A book that is good but doesn't quite make the cut at a major publisher may find a home in the small presses as well.

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            by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:00:07 AM PDT

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          •  thanks! (0+ / 0-)

            you are right, I didn't think about small publishers, and there are a lot of them in the Boston area.

            and I can see how a small press gives added legitimacy right away, especially when I don;t particularly care about making money, just about getting the ideas out there.

            whenever I have a question about anything I should just post it on dKos first!

            Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
            69 days until the '08 elections. Let's paint the country BLUE!

            by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 12:21:05 PM PDT

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            •  and (1+ / 0-)

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              if the idea is just to get published and start to get my name and ideas known, it is obviously better to try to persuade a small press to take me on first.  self publishing rightly or wrongly puts me in the same category with true tinfoil hat wearers!

              Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
              69 days until the '08 elections. Let's paint the country BLUE!

              by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 12:22:53 PM PDT

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            •  You're welcome (1+ / 0-)

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              My pleasure really. Small press can be a great place to start a career.

              Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

              by KMc on Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 03:30:34 PM PDT

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    •  Will the same agent (5+ / 0-)

      handle fiction and nonfiction works, or are those so diametrically opposed as to require separate agents with separate skills?

      •  usually the same agent will handle both (7+ / 0-)

        ...but will specialize in one or the other. My agent specializes in science fiction and fantasy, but she also represents me for the Red Sox books, and makes the calls and negotiates the contracts, etc. for them.

        The difference is she knows all the SF editors personally, where she has to research potential nonfiction clients.

        It's probably best to look for an agent who works in the area you do most of your work in, but it's likely that agent will represent everything you want her to. If you work in a ton of different areas you either need to a) sign with a large and versatile agency or b) rethink your career. (This is what I had to do a few years ago, when I realized I had books out on six different subjects, and readers couldn't follow me from book to book, so I wasn't going to develop a following. That's why I'm just writing fiction now.)

        It is possible to have different agents for different areas if that's the way you prefer, and if the agents agree. An agent doesn't have to represent everything you write, just the areas covered in your agency agreement.

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        by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 09:32:22 AM PDT

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    •  What a wonderful series esp for aspiring (5+ / 0-)

      young writers.  The nuts and bolts are so mysterious that a terrible amount of good writers probably never write, that is how we get so many attorneys, who just couldn't ever get around to writing the Great American Novel.

      (-7.0, -6.4) "I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson

      by NearlyNormal on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 09:27:55 AM PDT

    •  Thanks for this series. (6+ / 0-)

      I've read it all.  Good, practical advice.

      Energy is neither created nor destroyed; it only changes form.

      by SME in Seattle on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 09:31:21 AM PDT

    •  Excellent article. (6+ / 0-)

      The idea of looking for an agent fills me with anxiety, I guess because she or he is the first professional who'll have a chance to reject me, but I know it's
      essential.

      Copy editing would be a good topic.  I'm also  interested in finding out
      about marketing and promotion.  I admit, I always assumed publishers flew you
      to high-tone bookstores for readings and had your bottle of perrier ready for
      you as they ushered you up to the velvet cord that kept the rabble at arm's
      length.  I'm pretty sure that isn't really the case, but I'd be interested to hear
      your experiences.  I don't mind self-promoting but I don't want to go broke
      doing it.  

      •  you're mostly on your own for promotion (7+ / 0-)

        although my most recent book was the first time I've ever been able to contractually stipulate the amount of promotion that will be done (including the publicity firm to be hired). That only worked because of promotion I've done in the past, though.

        One thing about writing Red Sox books is that I got to be on every sports radio talk show in New England (and quite a few nationally), along with a fair amount of TV and newspaper coverage. And I've done lots of signings.

        I can't tell you much about the "high-tone" level of publicity, but i know a lot about what you can do reasonably inexpensively as a not-all-that-well-known author, and the best strategies for successful signings, radio, and TV appearances.

        I'm not sure yet if it's going to be one diary or several - I've started planning it out, though.

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        by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 10:26:09 AM PDT

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      •  Promotion (7+ / 0-)

        Swordsmith's right that you're mostly on your own, and there are definitely some self-promotion things that are worth doing. But there a couple of caveats.

        If you're a good enough writer to get something published, you're almost certainly a pretty good writer because the odds are lousy. That means you've got a highly specialized skill set for writing. Do you alos have one for promotion? If not, you're almost certainly better off investing the time and effort in making your next book irresistable.

        My rules for promotion are that it should involve no money, no time, and no effort. I'm willing to bend the rules a little but not much. The single most productive thing you can do for self promotion is to make good book store connections. Stop in to stores that have your book. Make a connection with the clerks, offer to sign things. This will often result in a clerk who will hand sell your stuff. That matters, a lot.

        Last note. With the print numbers of a typical big press book there's not a lot the author can do to make a significant dent in sales. A few hundred copies sold doesn't really matter that much. And even if you do move ten thousand copies, that means you have to move at least that many with the next book to keep your sales numbers going in the right direction. Which means you have to put even more effort into promoting the second book, and so on. It's a nasty cycle.

        There are, of course, exceptions to this rule where self-promotion made the difference, but it's something to think about very carefully.

        Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

        by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 10:45:26 AM PDT

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      •  Promotion IS important (7+ / 0-)

        Kelly is absolutely right in saying that the book comes first -- always.  If you don't have a good book, the rest of it isn't going to matter.

        HOWEVER.  Promotion IS important.  You are (or should be) the best advocate for your books.    If you can get out there and get in thirty people's faces, that's thirty new readers you might find, thirty people who might buy your book.  and if it's a good book, that's thirty people who might tell a friend or two each.  
        I'm not saying that you have to spend a ton of money doing it, but spending the time is very important.

        The best discussion -- argument -- i've seen in a while was on the fabulous Justine Larbalestier's blog this spring.    Justine said:

        Promoting your books is part of a writer’s job. If no one knows the book exists how is it going to sell? A writer should be out there lining up bookshop appearances, sending out postcards/business cards/tshoshkas of some kind. You should be attending cons/trade shows/schools/libraries or whatever will help get the word out about your work. It may not have that much effect (no one really knows how to get word of mouth going*), but it might, and besides, for your own peace of mind it helps to know that you’re doing something. No one cares how well your book does as much you what wrote it. Not your agent, your editor or your publicist. It seems mighty unfair to complain about a writer doing what they can to secure their livelihood.

        The discussion continued here, with quite a few great writers, editors, agents, and assorted readers weighing in.   It's well worth checking out.

        •  That was a fantastic discussion (4+ / 0-)

          and I watched it very carefully. I would never say that a writer shouldn't do any promotion, just that you have to be very careful about how much and in what way. I do signings, though not many, and readings, and a few conventions. And all of those things are more important for someone who is just getting started than an old pro. I also stop whenever I'm passing a book store that's likely to have my stuff, and I make sure to visit book stores when I'm traveling for other reasons. But I also do a cost benefit analysis on time and effort in vs. results out.

          Dean Wesley Smith does a much better job of arguing the case for how to balance things than I do, and some of that is at his blog. Unfortunately, more of it is in my head from past conversations and perhaps not coming out as clearly as it should.

          P.S. Shana, are you the Shana who is an agent, who goes to WisCon? If so, we've been on at least one panel together.

          Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

          by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 12:10:32 PM PDT

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          •  absolutely on all counts (5+ / 0-)

            Yes, it's definitely a difficult balance to find, and it is (and probably should be) different for each writer.  

            and yes, we've sat on one panel together, and i'm sure will be sitting on many more!  It's great to see your thoughtful - and quick! - responses to all of the questions here.

            •  Thanks (4+ / 0-)

              Good to see you here as well. Like Swordsmith I'm in writing avoidance mode today, and this makes a great distractor. I started a new book this week after getting two others out the door and taking a vacation, but I don't really want to get back to work yet.

              Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

              by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 12:49:59 PM PDT

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              •  F&SF is a small world (7+ / 0-)

                For those who are just tuning in, this provides a useful lesson on the dynamics of F&SF. The total number of pros (writers, agents, editors) is very small, like large high school small. I don't know Swordsmith personally and just happened onto these diaries, but I do know Shana though I had no idea she'd be commenting on this diary. It's not six degrees of separation. It's more like two at the outside, so even if it wasn't simply good policy on it's own merit, being polite to everyone is necessary for the aspiring F&SF pro.

                Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

                by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 01:51:41 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks shana (5+ / 0-)

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          Interesting discussion.  I'm completely on board about
          the necessity of (1) writing the best book possible and
          then (2) self-promoting the hell out of it.

          Unfortunately I live in a pretty small town, about half-way between San Francisco and Portland.  But I guess we all have to start somewhere.  

    •  How do you rate books like (5+ / 0-)

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      Writer's Guide to Literary Agents, or websites of the same ilk?  

    •  Some other things an agent does (9+ / 0-)

      A good agent knows which rights are negotiable in your contract and which are worth negotiating. Some things a publisher is willing to comprimise on, some they are not, and a good agent knows which ones are worth a fight.

      Foreign rights are a good example. Many publishers would prefer to act as your agent for foreign rights. Sometimes this is a good idea. Sometimes not. In my case, my agent has good relationships with a number of foreign agents and retaining those rights made good sense.

      A similar dynamic holds for game rights, film rights, audio rights, etc. A good agent will pay for their fifteen percent on this count alone.

      Another thing an agent does is care less about your book than you do. For a first time writer, the temptation to sign any contract that ends with publication can be pretty great. Your agent is there to say "No" and be willing to walk away from the deal if it's a bad one. You as an author need to be able to do that too, but it's easier for the agent.

      Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

      by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 10:21:46 AM PDT

      •  very good advice (7+ / 0-)

        There are some clauses in publishers' boilderplate contracts that are there to be crossed out, in the "it doesn't hurt to try" category (and also so publishers have something they don't care about to give in on).

        Agents will have their own, pre-negotiated boilerplates with these publishers, based on previous deals they've cut, so you'll be working from a much less-unfavorable contract even before the negotiations start.

        My feeling on foreign and film rights is I'm willing to grant them to a publisher which will actually use them, since I'll still be getting paid for them - but I don't want them going to a publisher which will just sit on them, killing any potential sales.

        I should probably do a diary on book to film sales at some point... I wonder if I could get a couple of the producers I've worked with to show up on DKos.

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        by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 10:31:03 AM PDT

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        •  behind the commission (9+ / 0-)

          is a whole lot of work, i can promise you that.  

          We sell translation rights -- about which i'll make a note later.  We sell audio rights.  We sell serial rights.  We work with film agents to sell film rights.  We deal with unusual questions -- "can i read your work over an orchestral production?"

          And we poke our noses in with the publisher all along the course of publication, and afterwards:  Is everything happening on time? What's going on with the cover?   Is it going out to other authors to request blurbs?  Can we change the catalog copy?    

          Not to mention after publication, tracking reviews, additional printings, remainders, and looking for other opportunities for the author to promote themselves in unusual venues -- op-eds, interviews, etc.  And we read (and translate) royalty statements, and make sure that everything makes sense, that reserves for returns aren't unusual, that payments are made on time, that the promised subsidiary rights sales are applied in the right manner.

          and just so you know:  we don't sit around and read all day.  It's a common misperception, which most agents i know hear a lot, and laugh cynically.  All of the substantive reading -- that is, reading my clients work, making notes and comments, and reading anything longer than fifty pages -- everything that i need time to read gets carried home and read there on my own time.

          And a friend just suggested that I mention that I haven't taken lunch yet.  I've eaten, but i usually don't take "a lunch break", unless i have a professional meeting -- building my network of contacts, associates, and friends in the publishing industry that is very much part of my job.  

          I love my job.  I'm not complaining here; I'm incredibly lucky that I've found a career which suits my inclinations and talents ... and where much of it comes down to saying, "I found this great book. You have to read it."  

          •  that's really well put (7+ / 0-)

            It's nice to be able to talk about the industry as it is - beauty and blemishes alike - and it's not something we get a chance to do often.

            One problem entry-level publishing assistants run into is that they have certain expectations that just aren't the way the industry works; you don't get to sit in a corner office and create lit'rature, and in a lot of conventional ways there's very little glamour in the field. Many people burn out and leave the field when they realize that.

            But while there may not be glamour, there is magic. We get to create books. And either you understand why that's magical, or you should work in another field.

            When did I know that I was working in the right field? At my first publishing job, the first time Ray Bradbury called for me.

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            by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 01:13:51 PM PDT

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            •  Magic, and love (5+ / 0-)

              This is something I often have trouble getting across to writers who've been around long enough to get jaded but not long enough to get published. That there's really nothing an agent or editor loves better than to find a gem in the slush pile. Too many writers with a stack of rejections and no sales start to think of the editor or agent as the enemy, and don't understand the sheer volume of submissions or the love of the business necessary to cope with that flow for low pay and miserable hours. I've never been on that side of the submission desk, but I really respect what those of you who have do for writers and for literature for that matter.

              Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

              by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 01:37:09 PM PDT

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          •  shana (4+ / 0-)

            So how's the best way to get an agent to notice a manuscript from the slush pile?

            There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. S. Holmes

            by Carnacki on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 08:25:31 PM PDT

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            •  write a good book. (3+ / 0-)

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              write a good cover letter, directed to the agent in a way that makes sense.  send it to an appropriate agent.
              no tricks are going to cover up the most important thing you need to do:

              write a good book.

              •  shana (3+ / 0-)

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                I did write a good book. I wrote a great book. The people that read it at an author workshop told me so. My reading circle of genre fans and other beginning authors told me so. The top editor at one of the publishing houses emailed me that he really liked it, but he had too much vampire fiction in the pipeline. A French author who stumbled onto it online praised it as excellent.

                I've read Stephen King's On Writing, countless writing magazines and already practiced the excellent tips Swordsmith has mentioned in his series in an attempt to find an agent or editor.

                So it might seem as simple from your side of the desk to write a good book, but from the outside I must say it is not. Even the most carefully crafted query letters have failed to attract an agent.  And getting out of the slush piles at the major publishers without an agent seems an impossibility considering the number of manuscripts that land there.

                Thanks for the advice though.

                There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. S. Holmes

                by Carnacki on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 08:17:45 AM PDT

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                •  Carnacki (2+ / 0-)

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                  This morning I emailed you off list in response to one of your earlier posts in the series. It went to the email in your Kos profile, and it came from kelly at my full name, kellymccullough.com.

                  Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

                  by KMc on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 08:21:22 AM PDT

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                •  but it does happen (1+ / 0-)

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                  Laura Anne Gilman first built her reputation as an editor by pulling her off the slushpile and turning her into an Edgar Award winning mystery writer.

                  Editors are actively looking for good stuff they can buy; that won't help if the timing is wrong, but in the long run, good writing is what sells. I know an editor who was let go for failing to find anything that he thought was good enough - and besides that, it's the joy of working on a book you really believe in and guiding it through the publishing process that makes people go into editing.

                  If you follow the basic advice here, you're not competing against all of the hundreds of manuscripts that hit the slushpile: 80% of them don't follow the publisher's guidelines, or are clearly unpublishable, and don't get a serious look. You're competing against the 20% of the slushpile that's also playing the game by the rules - still an intimidating number, but a lot fewer than you think. If you're work is good, it will get noticed (and it has... you've gotten positive nibbles, just no solid bites yet). It may take way longer than you expect, since publishing is a slow process at the best of times - but if you're confident, hang in there.

                  I mentioned Walter Hunt in an earlier diary - his first book took 18 years to sell, but was much more successful than anyone expected when it finally did, through the same kind of fluke of timing which had kept it from being bought several times before. (The book is about aliens who want to destroy humanity because their religion says we shouldn't exist. It came out a month before 9-11.)

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                  by Swordsmith on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 08:33:17 AM PDT

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                  •  Write the next book (2+ / 0-)

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                    The single most important step you can take in getting published is to write the next book, and the one after that, and so on. I sold my fourth last June. It was my first novel sale. The sequel is my ninth and was written on contract. Books 1,5,6,7,8 are all still out looking for homes. 2 is midway through a rewrite to make it salable now that I've got a foot in the door. 3 is waiting for me to think of a better hook. Not only does writing the next one give you another book to sell, you can mention it in the agent quest. This is my first book, I'm currently working on my second, (very brief description here.)

                    Write something different. Don't write the next book in the series, write something new with different hooks and angles. That'll help show versatility as well as talent and work ethic. Editors and agents like to know you posess all of these qualities.

                    Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

                    by KMc on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 08:49:40 AM PDT

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                    •  excellent advice (2+ / 0-)

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                      My first two didn't sell, but they eventually landed me my first agent. More importnatly, they taught me some key things I needed in order to write books that would sell. They were near misses, which could have sold with a favorable tailwind but weren't irresistible. Looking back on them, while there are scenes that I love and the writing holds up, my control of plot is much stronger now - there are things in the story structure I would never do today, 12 books later, and they weaken the book.

                      Piers Anthony wrote 13 books before he sold one.

                      It can take a while, and while sometimes first novels do sell, more often they teach you the skills you need to write a more successful book.

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                      by Swordsmith on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 08:56:04 AM PDT

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                •  I'm in the same boat. (0+ / 0-)

                  I've written a great book.  Cant even get an agent or a publisher to even look at it.

                  •  it can feel discouraging (1+ / 0-)

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                    Are you getting the same response consistently? If so, think seriously about what they're suggesting. If not, keep sending it out, while working on the next book.

                    Over time, good writing sells, but in the short run, there are lots of reasons it may not be. If it's a good book, the next one you write is likely to be better, and more likely to sell, and you'll be able to revisit the first one later.

                    I've had nine books published and three that never sold - the first two I wrote, plus one that got caught up in my divorce a few years ago and was too dated to publish by the time the rights were clear (a sequel to the book I wrote on all the museums in new England).

                    Just yesterday I got a nibble from a publisher on those first two books - more than ten years later, and long after I'd given up on them. (A publisher remembered them from way back when, and the market has changed for those particular books.) So you never know.

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                    by Swordsmith on Sat Sep 02, 2006 at 10:35:50 AM PDT

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              •  We've read it here (2+ / 0-)

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                My daughter and I couldn't put it down, so it has cross generational appeal also.

                And we are anxiously awaiting the sequel.

    •  Short stories resources (5+ / 0-)

      Swordsmith mentioned that most agents won't do short stories because it doesn't pay for them. A  subset of that is that even the ones that do aren't mostly going to do a great job on it. At one point I had an agent who was willing to do shorts, but I opted out on that because I'd seen his short markets report. It was low on his list, so it was out of date and not very comprehensive. In F&SF ralan.com and speculations.com are two urls you should be familiar with if you want to sell shorts.

      Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

      by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 10:52:21 AM PDT

    •  I'm glad you are doing this (4+ / 0-)

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      its a good break from bash bash bash outrage outrage outrage...let's be a community, lets builds schools, yeah.

      •  thanks (4+ / 0-)

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        I can't live in outrage, and this is something I can do to help (not to mention to procrastinate on my book deadline - but I just hit page 400 of the new book last night, so I'm pretty happy).

        It's not like these are pollyanna diaries - I've been pretty blunt - but it's nice to feel like I'm doing something constructive to help Kossacks get published.

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        by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:06:14 AM PDT

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    •  Stephen King once told me (2+ / 0-)

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      "You don't need a literary agent until they call you."

      I think that is sound advice.

      Your Candidate/Hitler 2008

      by pinche tejano on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:01:36 AM PDT

      •  it's kind of dated advice (4+ / 0-)

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        There's truth to it - once you've got an offer in hand, any agent will take you on - but it's much harder to sell a book without an agent than it was 20 years ago.

        Waiting by the phone is perhaps not the best dating (or publishing) strategy in this day and age.

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        by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:09:23 AM PDT

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        •  I guess thats why I self-published all my stuff (3+ / 0-)

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          but that was for my magazines and newspapers.

          Luckily, I already got several editors at my beck and call, but after getting screwed by agents in the music industry, I am leary of agents in any field.

          Plus, I am waiting for the religious sci-fi market to get hot, then I am gonna start calling in my chips and favors.

          Thanks for advice, I need to realize the game has changed while I was on my mountain in Mexico cranking out books.  Who knows, maybe an agent here might take an interest in a couple of my finished projects, like Brotherhood of the Eternal Mask, a Dune on Earth if you will, combining ancient mystism and Telsa technology to bring about the second age of the Gods. Or the Tallest Texas Tale, a tongue and cheek Toqueville-style book that explains how Texas secretly took over the earth.

          But I guess I need to bite the bullet and start looking for an agent, I just hope they don't want a cut of my newspapers which I am still publishing.

          Your Candidate/Hitler 2008

          by pinche tejano on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:38:00 AM PDT

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          •  the book industry is very different from music (4+ / 0-)

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            ...a point that was driven home when my last book was published by the book arm of a record label. They look at things in very different ways, and the relationship between agent and creator is very different.

            Because the time lag is so great for books, and because what's most commercial is the writer's skill rather than the idea, the chances of a book idea being stolen are much lower, and as a result the agents aren't paranoid about exploiting and being exploited.

            Reputable book agents can be trusted, and if they can't they won't be able to stay in the field.

            The fee is for the time the agent spends negotiating contracts, dealing with rights issues, and taking care of tax forms and royalty statements as much as it is for the sales they've made. I've sold most of my books myself, since I know most of the editors I've worked with, but it's still worth the money to be able to hand things over to an agent once the publisher is interested in the book.

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            by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:55:19 AM PDT

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          •  Newspapers (3+ / 0-)

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            The music industry is a very different place. But there are good and bad agents everywhere.

            You should be able to negotiate an agreement wherein your newspaper business is not within your agent's purview. I had to arrange something similar on short stories with both my old and my new agent because I was doing a big work-for-hire project at the time. It wasn't a problem with either of them. If you can't come to an agreement on that with an agent, then chances are they're not a good agent for you.

            Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

            by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:59:33 AM PDT

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            •  Yeah, I have roughly 5000 pages of intellectual (2+ / 0-)

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              property I have self-published internationally, and like a back catalog in my music recordings, they are out of bounds for rights of anyone I would sign with.

              I have no problem selling short stories, I am just now stepping up to the plate with books.

              Your Candidate/Hitler 2008

              by pinche tejano on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 12:06:03 PM PDT

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      •  It was when King started out (3+ / 0-)

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        Now, not so much. Publishing has changed enormously in the past couple of decades, and even in the past few years. More and more publishers will not look at an unagented manuscript, and those that will have slush piles that reach the rafters. No agent means no entry to about 80 percent of the major editors.

        Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

        by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:12:24 AM PDT

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        •  I have entry to the editors (2+ / 0-)

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          I just fear the agents.

          I always view the "advance" as a payment for a portion of my soul. I need agents more for distro, which I also realized is completely different my network for newspapers and magazines.

          Is there a rule for submitting books to one than more agent at time as per submitting articles to more than one publication at a time?

          You seem knowledgable in this arena.

          Your Candidate/Hitler 2008

          by pinche tejano on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:41:27 AM PDT

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          •  It's my understanding (3+ / 0-)

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            that sending to multiple agents is still all right as long as you don't claim to be offering someone an exclusive look at the work. Shana's note below about making sure that you idividualize your pitches and don't obviously mass email a bunch of agents would seem to reinforce that view, but perhaps she'll address this more directly and let me know if I'm wrong.

            Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

            by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:49:11 AM PDT

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            •  Mass emails are bad not matter what industry (3+ / 0-)

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              you are trying to sell creative works in.

              Can you seriously EMAIL agents these days? I always heard physical mail was better.

              Let me know on that.

              Your Candidate/Hitler 2008

              by pinche tejano on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 12:01:44 PM PDT

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            •  It depends on the agent, and submission type (4+ / 0-)

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              but usually, if you're sending letters or emails to agents blindly (unsolicitedly), it's fine to send as many letters as you want.  

              If/when they request material, some agents will specifically ask for an exclusive look;  others will not.  If you've already sent it to one agent, and another asks to see material, it's polite to let them both know that another agent is looking at it.

    •  Approaching an agent (an agent's perspective) (12+ / 0-)

      As an agent, I can't stress enough the importance of doing your research on the agents you are approaching.

      Leigh mentions above that if you don't already have a personal connection to any agents, you should look for agents based on their history and experience in other books like yours.   This is crucial.  If you aren't reading books in the field that you have written a book in, do so -- and read the acknowledgements pages.  make notes.  go to the bookstore and look at the acknowledgements pages of other books like the ones you've liked.   You'll probably start seeing the same names over and over again.  This is not a coincidence!    that agent probably works on that genre of books!  

      If you find a few agents whose name keeps coming up, take notes ... and mention this in your approach.  Say that you think your book is like the books X, Y, and Z, which she represents, and that's why you think you'd be a good fit at her agency.

      If you don't know anything about the agent you're approaching, find out.    It makes a difference.    It makes us stop paging through the pile of letters, or the folder of queries, and say, "hey, this person actually did her homework."  

      Pay attention to what the agent asks for;  most agents list them pretty clearly, in the LMP, at the AAR's website, at their own websites.  if they say, "send email copies only, no attachments", don't send an attachment!  

      Proof your emails.  Proof it again.  Have a friend proof it.  Proof it again!  (i'm not kidding.)  Don't send mass emails.  don't send the same email to fifty different agents whose names were all listed.  If you want me to pay attention to your book, pay attention to the books I work on!  I'll notice.

      •  Applause (5+ / 0-)

        This is all fantastic advice, but I want to especially emphasize the proofing note. I've heard this again and again from every agent, editor, and professional writer who's been solicted for advice or comments.

        I write for a living but even a cursory glance through my comments on this thread will turn up transposed letters or missing commas. I can do that here and the only cost is my 'doh!" when I see it. But I would never consider letting something go out for submission without at least one other pair of eyeballs going over it, and prefferably three or four.

        Manuscripts will have mistakes, though you should try to keep them to the absolute minimum. But cover letters and queries have to be perfect.

        Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

        by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:42:42 AM PDT

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    •  Previous installments (2+ / 0-)

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      So, I just got a chance to really go through the previous installements in depth. Really nice work! Beyond that I've got one question and one comment.

      So, question first. This was generated by the lists diary. I noticed that you give the average book about a three month shelf life, which sounds dead right to me. One of the things I want to do to help address that for my own career is to get my production up to a place where I can hit a sweet spot for keeping my name out there. I'm shooting for three or four books a year, at the logical intervals. I write fast enough to make three a pretty easy target, but at least at first I suspect I'll have to push hard for four. I know I'll have to convince my editor/publisher that's a good idea for a relative noob like myself and that may not be easy. On the plus side, I've got six solid books in my backlog plus two trunk novels that aren't going to be seeing daylight anytime soon. Thoughts?

      And the comment, on your sample title page you put a slot for social security number. For the F&SF magazines at least that's not currently necessary, and I thought it worth mentioning.

      Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

      by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 02:36:16 PM PDT

      •  conventional wisdom (1+ / 0-)

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        ...is that more than two books a year will leave you overexposed, potentially hurting all of your books. The idea is to lengthen your shelf life and keep your backlist in print. There are some cases where it makes sense to release books more quickly (i.e., successive volumes of a trilogy), but I suspect if you want to write more than that some of them will end up being published under a pseudonym (even if it's an "open" pseudonym and use use both names at cons, like John Grant/Paul Barnett).

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        by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 02:53:27 PM PDT

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        •  That's about what I thought (2+ / 0-)

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          and one of the reasons I've started writing YA fantasy as well as general market stuff, though I'm not sure the conventional wisdom is right. Most of the prolific writers I know use multiple pen names like Dean Smith or Kris Rusch, writing tons under their own name doesn't seem to have hurt Weber or Lackey. It's an interesting problem at any rate.

          Thanks for your comment.

          Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

          by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 02:58:51 PM PDT

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          •  Actually, I think it hurt Misty Lackey a lot (1+ / 0-)

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            The problem was she was in a situation where she needed money in a hurry (for the noblest of reasons), and had no choice but to dilute her name and churn out a lot of books in a hurry. In the long run, my impression is it diluted her overall sales in a big way.

            I've never felt that David Weber was particularly overexposed, but that may be because Baen essentially made him into a brand name, and were careful not to dilute the quality of his work.

            A mainstream example of someone who didn't do that would be Tom Clancy, whose work was badly diluted by quasi-tie ins.

            The Star Trek books regularly hit the best-seller lists until they dramatically upped the number of them published, at which point sales fell off.

            The last vampire craze before the current one was killed off by overexposure with, for instance, Zebra alone publishinbg two vampire boosk every month.

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            by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 03:06:55 PM PDT

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            •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)

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              I totally agree with you on Clancy, though I'd say that the quality of his work starting around Clear and Present Danger, does not match his earlier stuff, and that the collapse of the Soviet Union took a lot of the wind out of his sails.

              On the other hand, the production issue being a problem hadn't been my impression on Lackey, but I'm quite willing to defer to your significantly greater experience with all things publishing.

              That being the case. Do you think it was the volume of publication that hurt Lackey, or that she had to sacrifice some quality to reach that output? That's one of the reasons why I'm trying to find the right balance. Two books a year is no problem. I did that this year without feeling the stretch, and three should be very doable, but I wasn't sure about four.

              Much to chew on here. Thanks again.

              Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

              by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 03:30:30 PM PDT

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              •  I think it was a mix of both (3+ / 0-)

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                Just because someone can sell a first draft novel doesn't mean it's a good idea. (Not meaning to cast aspersions on Misty here, some of whose writing I like a lot.)

                I think two books a year is a great, sustainable output that won't burn you out. I know people who can do more than that, but it can be a problem when you're scheduled so that you have to do that. But if it works for you, great.

                I had one friend who got sucked into a trap of writing thousands of words a day to support the big-money contract her agent pushed her into - none of which was coming out in her name. She loved the money at first, but it really ground her down, and she got grumpier and grumpier and stopped coming to conventions (because she was always on deadlines) and returning friends' calls. I have another friend that's happening to now - he's so determined to get ahead that he no longer attends cons unless they pay his way, and has taken on an insane writing schedule.

                Neither of them is having a whole lot of fun.

                Granted there are times when writing isn't fun, but the magic is important to me, and if I wanted to be miserable, there are a lot of better-paying ways I could do it.

                I guess my point is that it's great to be prolific and enjoy it, but do you really want to be "feeling the stretch" constantly, instead of just for than that insane must-finish-this-now period at the end of each book?

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                by Swordsmith on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 03:44:35 PM PDT

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                •  Good points (3+ / 0-)

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                  and I really don't know the answers yet. That's a big part of my reason for asking. I'm trying to be careful and to do things that will build a career over the long term that make me happy as well as keeping me from starving. And part of that is finding my pacing. When I took the contract for WebMage I asked my editor to give me a year for the second book for that very reason. It mostly got written in the middle six months of that, and I was certain going in that I could manage it in six months, but I wanted to give myself room to breathe in case I was wrong.

                  The last year has been very interesting in terms of the writing life. I've got some good mentors, so I've always known intellectually that selling the first book meant same game bigger stakes, just like selling the first short was, but it's been instructive to experience it.

                  Kelly McCullough - WebMage, Cybermancy, and CodeSpell available from ACE books (Penguin)

                  by KMc on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 03:56:42 PM PDT

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    •  Is this thing on? (6+ / 0-)

      I'm the promised eight o'clock agent. Forgive me while I get used to this format. I haven't had a chance to look over the earlier entries in this series, but this story and discussion has a lot of good solid advice in it.

    •  Magic and love indeed (6+ / 0-)

      Playing catchup here: there is no other good reason to work as an agent, or an editor. I will agree that what makes it worthwhile are the times when I get all excited about what I find in the query pile, and (usually years later)holding the actual published book in my hands.

    •  On rejection (7+ / 0-)

      Responding now to the comment about looking for an agent opening oneself to rejection....I tell my clients that if they don't believe in the value of their work they shouldn't ask anyone else to. You do the best you can, you present it in the best light you can, and you send it out there. If it comes back--and most of the time it will--you can't take it personally. There are hundreds of reasons why I decline to take on a particular new client, and many of them are not under the writer's control in any way. I want a long, happy, mutually profitable relationship with a client; I want to be able to believe wholeheartedly not just in "a book" by that client, but in his or her entire career; and there are limits to how much work I can take on at any given time.  So much of this business depends on sheer luck: being in the right place at the right time, making the right connection, having just the right property to fit a particular "slot".  

    •  And now the curmudgeonly part (7+ / 0-)

      I have to make a living. I personally am not a fast reader; if I invest, say, five hours reading and thinking about your manuscript, it is time outside my primary responsibility of taking care of the clients I already have a committed relationship with, my bread and butter. Taking on a new client is a major initial investment, and as our host said above, it will be probably years before I make something looking like a profit on that client. I am also not in the business of teaching people the basics of how to put together a manuscript or a proposal. Nor am I a proofreader or editor...I only make money when I can sell something for a client. So do your homework. If